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  • zerohour - Jun 18 2007 | iraq, people, news

    read this now. it's good. and depressing.

    Quoted: s and the elite media alike are acting as if America's continuing presence in Iraq is predicated on national will, on an elaborate, tortured, tortuous decision-making process that will either extricate us from Iraq or establish a permanent footprint; that the final outcome is up to us. But what Lind, Larry C. Johnson, and Timothy Garton Ash perceive is that the groundwar dynamics have shifted into endgame gear, outracing the rhetorical cornmeal of a Lieberman or McCain and raising alarms that the political-media establishment is refusing to heed. What will it take for their hair to catch fire?

    • shadowpuppetmaster - Jun 18 2007

      the iraq piece was informative, thanks. however all his wanking and whining about television this and pop-culture that was a total waste. i don't see much on there that the BBC blog hasn't covered, and in less inflamatory dick-wagging language.

    • zerohour - Jun 18 2007

      where does he whine about pop culture in the iraq entry? if you're referring to the "elite media," then i think he's right: no one seriously considers the possibility of defeat outside of withdrawal. The general sense is typically that either we withdraw and admit our mistakes or, if we just stay and dump more resources into the effort, we will inevitably win by necessity. i basically take the piece to be saying that the inevitablity of loss is more likely and that every strategic decision we have made pushes us further in that direction.and "dick-wagging language"? wtf? and look at this BBC article from friday ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6757329.stm ). It details only the most superficial aspects of the 'troop surge' as its results reflect on Bush and Petraeus. I tend to think that, for reflective criticism of u.s. military strategy in Iraq, you typically have to look a little further than the BBC,

    • shadowpuppetmaster - Jun 19 2007

      I think we just mis-communicated. I tried to say i liked the Iraq piece, and I didn't complain about it at all. My complaints were about nearly everything ELSE on that blog. but that piece was interesting like I said, so....yeah.

    • zerohour - Jun 19 2007

      ah-ha, i gotchya now....sorry, i have to live up to my new "wft-photo", you know, so, uh....yeah, sorry 'bout that...

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