Armenians and history | Judging genocide | Economist.comFirst Faved : Oct 12 2007 by akabagelFaved : 1 time with noteViewed : 3 timesFave It!
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- akabagel - Oct 12 2007 | middle east, turkey, genocide
Economist on the genocide / Turkey issue
Quoted: All eight living former secretaries of state, from Henry Kissinger to Madeleine Albright, who lost three grandparents in the Nazi Holocaust, oppose the bill. So does Condoleezza Rice, who holds the post now.
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Fuck'em. I'm tired of the whole, if I do wrong, don't get caught. If I get caught, don't get prosecuted. If I get prosecuted, don't let anyone tell the truth about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
Time to hold governments and the people who represent them responsible for their actions.
Fuck who? Turkey?
Yeah, just because it doesn't meet our diplomatic goals of dealing with those who are in control of power (turkey) doesn't mean that we should advocate rewriting (or re-framing) history.
Turkey doesn't want to have to repay the Armenian people for the crimes it has committed against them and are willing to share power with those who hold them unaccountable. Some analyst suggest Turkish government fear Turkish land could be given to the Armenians as compensation for past crimes. Since the cost of compensation seems to outweigh the cost of fungible political power shared with the U.S. and other world leaders, the Turkish government seems inclined to pressure our leaders to keep hush about the Genocide that actually occurred in exchange for political favors.
Not to throw a straw man into the fray, but a reasonable argument could be made that what is good for U.S. diplomacy (in terms of political favors from counties such as Turkey) is good for us (the American people).
Consider what might seem good for the powers that be, may not be good for their respective people. I hate to use Bush in the same sentence as Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, leaders in Sudan, etc. but I'm sure you can appreciate the possible conflict of interest between those in power and their respective citizens. If such a conflict does exist, it may not be in the peoples best interest, here or abroad, for such crimes to be treated as less than they actually are.
I'm not sure exactly what you are advocating here. In my opinion, I think we should delay passing this resolution untill we have less at stake dependent on our relationship with Turkey. Perhaps when we don't have 150,000 troops in Iraq that depend on the airfields in Turkey for supplies.
Excellent point, but then again it never makes sense to pass the resolution in that case as it will never be diplomatically beneficial. Bullshitting about whether or not something your country did regarding Genocide shouldn't even be on the table in negotiations, IMO.
They will let us use the airfields anyway, and if they don't, I can't say that I'm going to be disappointed. We shouldn't even be there in the first place.