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  • shiwani - Apr 17 2009 | news, asia

    Another problem with forcing a one child only policy...

    Quoted: "In the traditional Chinese mind, only boys carry the bloodline of the family. So if a family only has girls, they will want boys…There is a big market for baby boys."

    • ms.kruse - Apr 17 2009

      I heard about this last night on Jim Leher. I guess part of the reason boys are being stolen and are more desirable in general is because the Chinese feel that girls cannot carry on the family name. WHY can't girls carry on the family name?! These are the dangerous effects of surname abandonment.

      I feel like this is less a one-child policy issue than it is a good old fashioned sexism issue.

      At least the Chinese are trying to address overpopulation. Most Americans don't even realize it is an issue because our environmentalists and media don't have the guts to approach the topic of population regulation. Meanwhile, we are the country that makes the most heavily-polluting people.

    • shiwani - Apr 17 2009

      You're definitely right about the sexism element of it. But I think the one-child only policy in certain countries actually ends up reinforcing latent sexism (for example, the rise in female infanticide, abandoning female infants, or the crazed desire for your one child to be a boy, that you're willing to abudct/buy a child on the black market). It's kind of chicken or egg...

      I definitely think we need to talk about overpopulation, but I think the one child only policy being enforced by the government is problematic. For example, after the earthquake in Szechuan, many couples lost their only child and are now too old to reproduce. So is the Chinese government prepared to provide systems to care for these people as they grow older, in a culture that's traditionally had children care for their elderly parents?

      I think the one-child only policy is rooted in good intentions, but it also opens up some serious long-term cultural issues... But I don't know what the alternative is either! Maybe the answer is promoting family planning/education?

    • shiwani - Apr 17 2009

      P.S. Happy hour soon? The one at Poppy in Cap Hill is fabulous - tried it out this week!

    • ms.kruse - Apr 17 2009

      You're right, the one-child law is badly flawed. This reminds me of an EXCELLENT author Terry Gross interviewed on Monday, Michelle Goldberg. You would be much interested in her book, "The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, And The Future of the World". She talks about how family planning and women's rights/education is the key to solving so many problems in the 3rd world and overpopulation in general. I learned some fascinating facts, like did you know that HW Bush was a huge proponent of family planning when he was in office? Not in this country but as a matter of foreign policy to help stave off China taking over. One of Goldberg's arguements is that patriarchal cultures don't object to birth control and abortion as a form of controlling overpopulation -- they object to it to the extent that it empowers women and breaks down their traditional society as they see it. She also talks about how in recent decades America's religious right has been forming alliances with middle eastern countries (that we normally hate) in order to strengthen their fight against family planning and abortion. It's like a crack sandwich for your head. You have to listen. I'm definitely buying the book. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103022290

      Oh and hells yeah, happy hour next week! I want to try Poppy big time.

    • shiwani - Apr 17 2009

      Ooh I definitely want to read this!! Thanks much for the recommendation. Okay, I'll e-mail you about happy hour...

    • btreloar - Apr 18 2009

      I happen to approve their one-child policy. When I formed a Zero Population Growth chapter in North Dakota while I was in the Air Force(40 years ago), it was ridiculed. Why? Because North Dakota was losing population as children got educations and left the state for better opportunities. But the problem isn't local -- it's global. We can't continue to increase population on a finite planet. Are there better ways to accomplish it? Perhaps. But this is the first serious attempt to deal with the problem.

    • ms.kruse - Apr 18 2009

      I applaud your efforts! North Dakota does seem like it'd be a tough crowd for Zero Population. I have a feeling the idea will be taken more seriously about a decade down the road.

    • btreloar - Apr 18 2009

      My right-wing cousin insists that Paul Ehrlich (the founder of ZPG) has been proven totally wrong. You can't reason with some of these people.

    • ms.kruse - Apr 18 2009

      I understand. I think everybody has a right-wing cousin with whom people such as ourselves get to talk an awful lot with about the weather come the holidays. And this of course is why god made pocket-sized flasks -- on the 8th day. They don't talk about that day much.

    • btreloar - Apr 18 2009

      LOL!

    • shiwani - Apr 20 2009

      I think I'd feel differently about it if there wasn't a history in certain countries of trying to sterilize (or speicifically control the reproductive rights) of the poor, without addressing the economic realities of why they typically have more than one child (disease/high infant mortality, needing them to work to raise money for the family, taking care of the elderly). Maybe that's not the case any more, but you're seeing other issues of sexism and inequality bubble to the surface instead. I think if you're going to have a policy like this, then you also have to be able to deal with ramifications on people's lives ...

    • ms.kruse - Apr 20 2009

      Very true.

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