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- sung - Sep 02 2008 | comedy, jon stewart, John McCain
lol... i actually wondered the same thing. if McCain is all about how Obama has no experience - why the F@#$@ did he pick Palin for his running mate?!
Quoted: Sarah Palin may be the ideological opposite of Hillary Clinton, but she's her gynecological twin.
- textured - Sep 01 2008 | the, jon stewart, John McCain
cough. hey connie looks like you're voting for mccain now, eh? girl power? cough.
- ms.kruse - Aug 31 2008 | news, election, jon stewart, John McCain
John Stewart's thoughts on the Palin pick. Also, some great commentary from Samantha Bee. Perfect.
Quoted: Sarah Palin may be the ideological opposite of Hillary Clinton, but she's her gynecological twin.
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oh snap!
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Now, I like Obama as much as anyone. But being the only republican on faves it is my duty when the issue of experience is raised (you didn't raise it, John Stewart did) to point out that the republican running-mate has more experience than Barack Obama, the presidential candidate .
Palin was first elected to office in 1992. Obama was first elected to office in 1997. Palin has held executive positions since 1996. Obama has never held an executive position. Finally, Palin has done identifiable and significant reform and anti-corruption work in government. Obama has been campaigning since 2004.
That is not to say anybody should like her. She is an unabashed right wing conservative. I am only pointing out that she has more experience and more of a track record than Barack Obama... and she's hot. I'd like to see her mud wrestle with Michelle Obama.
Oh yes, anti-corruption experience indeed: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_likely_to_testify_soon_u.php
Experience doesn't necessarily translate into knowledge or excellence. One can have a life-time of experience with a task and still be awful at it.
sure... and eloquence & enthusiasm don't necessarily translate to efficacy.
There is much more to the story than what is posted on Muckraker.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122002615833483595.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122031229774188795.html
A good exposition of the strengths and weaknesses of Palin vis McCain's candidacy and potential admin. This is not presented as argument but out of interest. I think this captures well how McCain/Palin will be running over the next months. Whether you buy it or not is immaterial.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/opinion/02brooks.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
The Wall Street Journal article takes more time fauning and propagandizing than it does discussing 'Troopergate'. More potential dirt:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palins_lobbyist_has_abramoff_t.php
So Obama and palin came into this world fresh with no "experience" before their elections? They did do stuff before that... prepared for the Miss Wassila and Miss Alaska beauty pageants, read the sports news, was a civil rights attorney, a community organizer in Chicago, the first black man elected president of Harvard Law Review- I guess some of these don't count in Republican-world?
It's fun occasionally reading(in small doses) the likes of Brooks/Kristol/(WSJ editorials) as they tap dance and spin. Let's see, after bringing up the wisdom of Rush Limbaugh in para1, in para2 Brooks mentions corrupt Alaskan politicians like Ted Stevens in para2 but it turns out Miss Wassila was one of the directors of ....wait for it... Ted Steven's 527. Whoops.
I think I'll stop reading now- two paragraphs and I need a shower. I think we've seen enough retarded and corrupt Republican executive types over the last eight years. Obama's eloquence speaks to a certain sensitivity, understanding and openness to the world that I'd choose over the ship of fools with McCain at the helm.
"On top of these conditions, he will have his own freewheeling qualities: a restless, thrill-seeking personality, a tendency to personalize issues, a tendency to lead life as a string of virtuous crusades."
LOL. He turns McCain into a crappy comic book character. Public service versus selfishness? Virtue versus vice? A bad attempt to counter Obama's rhetoric and rewrite the rules of the debate. No one can simultaneously claim to fight for the public against 'selfishness' and still be a capitalist. He is right, though, about the substitution of politics for morals in McCain's discourse. If Palin can't help pick up the slack then this VP selection may be a gift to Obama and Biden.
IMO Palin suddenly makes this election much more interesting if not any more competitive. Her selection changes the discussion (e.g. how can a conservative republican candidate have a pregnant and unmarried 17yr old daughter and still pass vetting, etc). These discussion will expand national dialogue in a positive way IMO. Read this from Bob Hebert (liberal editorialist - can you dig it)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/opinion/02herbert.html?ref=opinion
he makes some good points about her becoming a positive distraction for the GOP.
regarding the "likes of Brooks/Kristol/(WSJ editorials)" They are editorial columnists paid to voice opinions. IMO it behooves us all to understand where the big national parties are coming from and these columns help us do this. Spin is in their job description and their columns are not passed off as fact.
OTOH IMO it is the selective pursuit and presentation of facts by the likes of tpmmuckraker that gives internet journalism a bad name.
As Sherlock Holmes said, "there is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact"
"how can a conservative republican candidate have a pregnant and unmarried 17yr old daughter and still pass vetting"
Lamest national dialogue ever. This issue only matters to social conservatives and the liberals that want to cash in off of pre-marital sex in the family of the gop vp pick. I could hardly give a shit, save for the fact that it must suck having to undergo an arranged marriage because your mom is McCain's latest tactic.
"OTOH IMO it is the selective pursuit and presentation of facts by the likes of Wall Street Journal that gives internet journalism a bad name."
There ya go, fixed that for ya.
I agree that it pregnant 17yr old is lame dialogue, but I would argue that the benefit of hashing it out now is that it might get us past that type of red-herring for once and for all.
it looks like you missed my lecture on the difference between an editorial column and self-professed "news-reporting".
Democratic pundits and bloggers went after Palin, her family, and her past in a massive feeding frenzy of unprecedented ferocity. If Concon was here she would point out that this would not have happened if she was a man.
Anyway, my point is... look for McCain/Palin to start fighting back. It's on and this is going to get good!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080903/pl_politico/13111
ok ok ok - I will stop abusing this thread after this. But first an explanation. I think that Palin is the most exciting thing that has happened to American politics in a long time. Not because I am a fan of hers but because she is an assumption buster and a dialogue changer. For one thing, she has never been to Harvard, Yale, or any graduate school for that matter and nobody will ever accuse her of being a member of Skull and Bones, whatever that is. When was the last time that happened?
Anyway - a very interesting column appears today in the Wall Street Journal. For those of you who can't stomach non-fringe media I will post this excerpt which includes a nice and well-deserved nod to Obama.
"I'll tell you how powerful Mrs. Palin already is: she reignited the culture wars just by showing up. She scrambled the battle lines, too. The crustiest old Republican men are shouting "Sexism!" when she's slammed. Pro-woman Democrats are saying she must be a bad mother to be all ambitious with kids in the house. Great respect goes to Barack Obama not only for saying criticism of candidates' children is out of bounds in political campaigns, but for making it personal, and therefore believable. "My mother had me when she was eighteen…" That was the lovely sound of class in American politics."
for the whole editorial column full of insightful yet controversial opinion and conjecture:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists
All this and she has yet to even speak...
A friend of mine on faves (shadowpuppetmaster) pointed out this great blog post by Steven Shaviro. It argues for why experience and this teen pregnancy issue are hardly relevant, politically. Republicans, in a certain sense, have a right to be excited. Not because Pallin's outlook on policy is new and thoguhtful (it isn't), but because she's a player in a game that Obama seems to have cornered: the battle for affect in electoral politics.
The link: http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=663
Re: your latest WSJ cheerleading: to an extent, this article is right. Pallin's success is dependent on whether or not the liberal response is reactionary or cool. The blow-up of this teen pregnancy 'scandal' would seem to indicate the former. But if the Democrats play on hollowing out her persona properly and succeed in showing that she's yet another spin on dead policies, then they shouldn't have too much to worry about. After all, it has worked on McCain (MAAVERIIIIC!).
But I had to stop reading at a certain point. I'm sorry. Pallin is not a feminist. You don't seek to prohibit abortion and birth control and get to be called a feminist. Feminism has better entrance criteria than 'Has vagina in a man's world' or 'Eats moose while female'. "A normal American feminist." What the hell is that?
On the other hand, this sort of blunder is to be taken with perspective: Noonan is wrapped up in the sensationalism on the right surrounding Pallin, hoping (yes, *hoping*) that what awaits the ascendancy of their rising star is a new brand identity--something republicans lost with Bush's plummeting approval ratings.
"but because she's a player in a game that Obama seems to have cornered: the battle for affect in electoral politics."
"a new brand identity"
zactly...
Regarding feminist: She is a woman who has done what she wanted in this world.
"Regarding feminist: She is a woman who has done what she wanted in this world."
*smacks forehead, pulls down*
Camile Paglia disputes your claim to ownership over feminism. It's as if she had been reading these comments...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/index3.html